You've been searching for the right path. We've been walking it.

Start with a free 30-minute discovery call with Jonathan and Roy. We're two guys who came at the same problem from different directions and gained two vantage points on how to solve these problems. No pitch. No pressure. Just an honest conversation to find out if what we've learned fits where you are.
You've done the research. You know the traditional path isn't working. But there's one question that keeps blocking the next step.
It's not a financial question. It's not a strategy question. 

It's a deeply personal one: "Is there actually a path that works for someone like me — with my background, my capital, my schedule, my specific situation?" 

Every resource you've found was built for everyone. Which means it was built for no one in particular. It doesn't know your specific skills, your capital, your constraints, your life. 

It doesn't know you. 

We do. 

Not because we're guessing, but because we've been in that seat ourselves. 

Jonathan built his first income stream from a tax refund and learned how to collect options premium, figuring it out alongside a full-time job. 

Roy spent years applying the same financial intelligence he used in the C-suite to building his own portfolio across stocks, options, real estate, and private credit. 

We didn't figure this out in theory. We figured it out the same way you're going to — one real move at a time. The difference is we've already made those moves. And on this call we're going to look at your specific situation and find the one that fits you.
Before you ever get into your session with us we've already done our homework.


When you book your call you won't get an intake form. You'll hear from us.


Wherever you are right now, you don’t have to face it alone.

Once you book: 

  • Over the next few days we'll share who we are, how we think, and what we've learned.
  • By the time we sit down together you already know us a little.
  • The Discovery Call is where we learn about you not a form, not a questionnaire. A real conversation.
  • Our first question is never about your finances. It's about you. 
  • "Who are you? Not what do you do — at your core, what makes you tick?"


That question changes everything. And the answers will surprise you.


Two people who came at the same problem from different directions.



Roy has spent over 30 years operating at the C-suite level leading organizations, transforming teams, and watching from the inside how financial decisions compound over time. But he hasn't just watched. He's built businesses, invested in real estate, traded stocks and options, and spent years learning the alternative investment landscape firsthand. He's not teaching this from a whiteboard. He's actively managing his own portfolio of income-producing assets across multiple vehicles right now.


Jonathan brings a different kind of breadth. He's worked across more industries than most people encounter in a lifetime. From small business, government, education, manufacturing, technology, and corporate environments he's seen it all. He holds an MBA and has spent his career learning how organizations actually work from the inside out. He started with a tax refund figuring it out alongside a full-time job, taking real losses, and building from there into a growing set of income streams. He knows what the first steps feel like from the inside because he took them recently, honestly, and with real money on the line.


Two practitioners. Two perspectives. Both on your call. Every time.

What people say after working with us.
Hear from people who showed up to a conversation and left with something they didn't have before.

Jonathan and Roy asked me powerful questions and allowed me to process what is next for me. They provided ideas I had not thought of, breaking me through the ceiling of what is possible moving forward. Working with Jonathan and Roy has been invaluable to me." 

Sue
Jehlen

"This was presented to me by men that I trust. These are men with real world experience on how the institution of money works and a real business history on how to apply that. We always felt like our questions were appreciated and they answered them very well in an easy to understand way."

Jake 
Martin
Frequently Asked Questions
  • Is this a sales call?
    No. There's nothing to sell you on this call beyond what you've already read on this page. The call exists to understand your specific situation and build something real around it. If there's a next step that makes sense after - we'll tell you what it is and why. If there isn't - we'll tell you that too.
  • What do I need to prepare before the call?
    Nothing formal. We'll have a discovery call with you before your strategy session and get everything we need from you to come up with a clear path for you. You'll hear from us between now and your call date with ideas for what to bring to the call. Come ready to tell us who you actually are. That's the only preparation that matters.
  • What if I'm not sure I'm ready for this yet?
    That's exactly the kind of thing we'll figure out together. You don't need to be ready you need to be honest. If you're not at the right stage yet we'll tell you that and point you toward the right next step.
  • What happens after I book?
    You'll receive a Calendly confirmation with your call details. Then you'll hear from us -not a questionnaire, a real introduction. By the time we get on the call you'll already know who we are and how we think.
  • How do I know the strategy you give me will actually fit my situation?
    Because we don't give everyone the same strategy. The entire call is built around understanding your specific situation first. We dive into knowing your capital, your skills, your risk tolerance, your timeline, and who you actually are at your core. We've deployed capital across multiple vehicles and know what fits different profiles at different stages. We've built our own income streams from a starting point most people would recognize - your standard take home pay from your job. Between the two of us we've been in a lot of different situations. The goal of the call is to find the one that fits yours.
  • Why does this cost $497?
    Because we're not selling you an hour of our time. We're building something specific to you - your number, your right next step, your strategy for right now, and a written roadmap with your next steps. The $497 also ensures that the people who book are serious enough to show up and do the work. You will get out of this what you put into it. We're going to bring our very best and we need the same from you.
We'll tell you if this isn't the right fit. Even if that means you don't book.


Most coaches will take anyone's money. We never appreciated that, and we won't do that to you. 


If we get on the Discovery call and it becomes clear that a deep strategy session isn't the right next step for you right now we'll tell you that honestly. Instead, we'll point you toward what the right next step really looks like for you. 


We didn't build this to take money from people who aren't ready. We built it to help people who are. 


That's not a guarantee. That's who we are.


Your choices put you where you are and your choices can change your life. We take that seriously. Which means we're not going to let you make the wrong one.

You've been figuring this out alone long enough.
One free conversation. That's the entire first step.
The discovery call costs you nothing. No commitment. No pressure. Just thirty minutes with Jonathan and Roy. We're two people who have been where you are and found real answers. If the full 90 minute Strategies Session makes sense after that conversation we'll tell you why and what it includes. If it doesn't we'll tell you that too and point you toward what does. Complete your details below and your confirmation arrives immediately.
The discovery call is completely free
No intake form. A live, free conversation
We'll tell you honestly if this isn't the right fit
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